Showing posts with label dopamine. Show all posts
Showing posts with label dopamine. Show all posts

Wednesday, February 26, 2020

Renal dose Dopamine, taking down a myth.

When one looks at the dates where the publications disproved "renal dose dopamine", you see three articles published in 2000, 2003, and 2004. It's 2020 and this has not yet been put to bed. Now, I’m all worked up about this because I’ve had clinicians tell me that it absolutely works. I saw it in residency, fellowship, and now in private practice. I’m sure some of you see it at your institutions, too.
There’s data that it improves urine output transiently but no data that it improves renal outcomes in critically ill patients. No changes in creatinine. No changes in renal replacement therapy rates. In fact, that whole discussion has been put to bed so much that there haven’t been any comments made on it over the last 15 years. No further trials attempting to prove it works. Is that why we’re still seeing it? Well, it’s time to bring the arguments against renal dose dopamine, or even using dopamine altogether back into the fray.
The data about it being beneficial was from the 60’s in animal and healthy human studies. The latest studies, however, say it doesn’t work and in fact may be harmful. I have attached some of my preliminary slides from my Vasopressors in 2020 lecture. These are some of my preliminary slides. More info will come from me directly as I present these but it should provide you with an idea of why we should rarely see dopamine in our ICU's anymore. 
Do you still all use dopamine? If so, what for?
I used to use it during codes as it was already packaged in the code carts. We have since gotten rid of these and my badass pharmacy colleagues prep me levophed drips within seconds. 

Debaveye, Y., and Van den Berghe, G.: “Is There Still a Place for Dopamine in the Modern Intensive Care Unit?” Anesthesia and Analgesia. 98(2):461–468, February 2004.

Link to FREE PDF

Holmes, C., and Walley, K.: “Bad Medicine: Low-Dose Dopamine in the ICU,” Chest. 123(4):1266–1275, April 2003.

Link to CHEST Article

Bellomo R, Chapman M, Finfer S, et al. Low-dose dopamine in patients with early renal dysfunction: a placebo-controlled randomised trial: Australian and New Zealand Intensive Care Society (ANZICS) Clinical Trials Group. Lancet 2000; 356: 2139–2143

Link to NOT FREE Lancet Article

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Sunday, February 23, 2020

Dopamine doesn’t belong in the ICU anymore

Link to FREE FULL ARTICLE and PDF

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Saturday, January 4, 2020

Vasopressors have immunologic activity

This is a post I’m 90% sure you’re going to learn something from because I had NO IDEA this was a thing until I was doing all my research on vasopressors. I’m sure it’s not going to get many likes nor any shares, but it’s cool stuff like this that really gets me excited. Not many know what tumor necrosis factor is and what interleukins are, but they all play a huge role in inflammation and the overresponse of the body in sepsis. I’m going to stay far away from the specifics on this one. We give catecholamines and Vasopressin to our patients almost daily, might as well know the intricacies of these treatments. Cool stuff, right? A 🎩 tip to the authors.

Thanks for following along in my insanity.

-EJ




Link to Abstract

Link to FULL FREE ARTICLE (maybe)

Stolk RF, van der Poll T, Angus DC, van der Hoeven JG, Pickkers P, Kox M (2016) Potentially inadvertent immunomodulation: norepinephrine use in sepsis. Am J Respir Crit Care Med 194(5):550–558

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Wednesday, January 1, 2020

Keep the Dopamine at the bottom of the shelf


Does your friendly neighborhood cardiologist or intensivist start your Cardiogenic Shock patient on dopamine? Do you ever ask them when was the last time they read a study? I don’t mean to be harsh but this data is now almost a decade old.

This study placed dopamine far down on the vasopressor selection totem pole. They looked at patients who were in all types of shock, hypovolemic, septic, and cardiogenic on norepinephrine or dopamine and checked a bunch of outcomes.

What did they find? Well, no difference in mortality EXCEPT in those patients in Cardiogenic Shock. (p=0.03). Also, dopamine caused more severe arrhythmias than norepinephrine: 6.1% vs. 1.6%.

24.1% of the dopamine patients had arrhythmias and 12.4% in the norepinephrine group. That’s a lot of time managing side effects. No thank you.

Also, I need to find more data on this “renal dose dopamine” nonsense. This study showed an increase in urine output in the first 24 hours but then it evened out. They had an equal fluid balance when all was said and done. Although there was no statistically significant difference (p=0.07) in renal function and the norepinephrine group trended towards having better renal function. I know seeing urine makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside but if it’s providing false reassurance than what is it worth?

Still want to use dopamine? I hope not.

-EJ

Link to Article


De Backer D, Biston P, Devriendt J, et al. Comparison of dopamine and norepinephrine in the treatment of shock. N Engl J Med. 2010;362(9):779–789. doi:10.1056/NEJMoa0907118

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